[racket] users Digest, Vol 114, Issue 64

[Paul Ojanen]

Thank you for the notice and warning regarding the move to Google Groups.

Will a Google group work well for people with just an email address and not Google accounts nor gmail accounts? Or those unwilling to use them?

Will digests be available?

Regards,
Paul

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Message: 4
Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2015 08:37:04 -0800
Subject: [racket] Racket Users moving to Google Groups
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
Dear all,
PLT would like to get out of the mailing-list administration game.
We?re
therefore proposing to move the Racket Users mailing list to Google
Groups.
In fact, we?ve already begun the process of moving our mailing lists;
the
developers mailing list, racket-dev, has already moved to Google
Groups,
without major incident[*].
In particular, it?s still possible to send mail to the developers
mailing
continue
group.
I?m proposing that we make this move for the Users mailing list some
time
in mid-to-late March.
Google has a cap on the number of e-mail addresses that can be invited
to a
mailing list, and an even tighter cap on the number of e-mail addresses
that can be directly added. For this reason, we?re going to ask you to
sign
*yourself* up for the new group, when we move. After a brief interval,
we?ll begin inviting all of the e-mail addresses that don?t yet appear
on
the new mailing list. There are currently 1532 members on the users
list,
though, so this is going to take a while.
One potential hiccup: there is an existing Users google group, and
we?re
hoping to re-purpose this as the main group rather than as an archive.
This
list has a google setting?"list is an archive?, if I recall
correctly?that
is now deprecated. It seems possible that making changes to the way
this
list is configured could have unexpected consequences, and makes it
impossible to test various transition scenarios.
The local mailman archive of the existing list will continue to exist,
though new messages will not be added to it. The remote archives at
gmane
and mail-archive and marc should be able to handle the transition, and
hopefully will not drop too many messages during the transition.
Let us know how this sounds to you!
John Clements
[*] We?re still waiting to hear from gmane and marc.info about archive
updates; mail-archive has successfully made the jump already.

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[Vincent St-Amour]

I haven't had any problems. You can sign up from this URL:
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/racket-users/join

As for digests, I don't know.

Vincent


At Thu, 26 Feb 2015 11:51:52 -0500,

Post by Paul Ojanen
Thank you for the notice and warning regarding the move to Google Groups.
Will a Google group work well for people with just an email address and not Google accounts nor gmail accounts? Or those unwilling to use them?
Will digests be available?
Regards,
Paul

------------------------------
Message: 4
Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2015 08:37:04 -0800
Subject: [racket] Racket Users moving to Google Groups
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
Dear all,
PLT would like to get out of the mailing-list administration game.
We?re
therefore proposing to move the Racket Users mailing list to Google
Groups.
In fact, we?ve already begun the process of moving our mailing lists;
the
developers mailing list, racket-dev, has already moved to Google
Groups,
without major incident[*].
In particular, it?s still possible to send mail to the developers
mailing
continue
group.
I?m proposing that we make this move for the Users mailing list some
time
in mid-to-late March.
Google has a cap on the number of e-mail addresses that can be invited
to a
mailing list, and an even tighter cap on the number of e-mail addresses
that can be directly added. For this reason, we?re going to ask you to
sign
*yourself* up for the new group, when we move. After a brief interval,
we?ll begin inviting all of the e-mail addresses that don?t yet appear
on
the new mailing list. There are currently 1532 members on the users
list,
though, so this is going to take a while.
One potential hiccup: there is an existing Users google group, and
we?re
hoping to re-purpose this as the main group rather than as an archive.
This
list has a google setting?"list is an archive?, if I recall
correctly?that
is now deprecated. It seems possible that making changes to the way
this
list is configured could have unexpected consequences, and makes it
impossible to test various transition scenarios.
The local mailman archive of the existing list will continue to exist,
though new messages will not be added to it. The remote archives at
gmane
and mail-archive and marc should be able to handle the transition, and
hopefully will not drop too many messages during the transition.
Let us know how this sounds to you!
John Clements
[*] We?re still waiting to hear from gmane and marc.info about archive
updates; mail-archive has successfully made the jump already.

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[Ryan Davis]

Post by Paul Ojanen
Will digests be available?

It definitely supports digests at varying levels of granularity. I _think_ it supports not having a google account, but I'm less sure about that.
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[John Clements]

Post by Paul Ojanen
Thank you for the notice and warning regarding the move to Google Groups.
Will a Google group work well for people with just an email address and
not Google accounts nor gmail accounts? Or those unwilling to use them?
Will digests be available?
Regards,
Paul

------------------------------
Message: 4
Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2015 08:37:04 -0800
Subject: [racket] Racket Users moving to Google Groups
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
Dear all,
PLT would like to get out of the mailing-list administration game.
We?re
therefore proposing to move the Racket Users mailing list to Google
Groups.
In fact, we?ve already begun the process of moving our mailing lists;
the
developers mailing list, racket-dev, has already moved to Google
Groups,
without major incident[*].
In particular, it?s still possible to send mail to the developers
mailing
continue
group.
I?m proposing that we make this move for the Users mailing list some
time
in mid-to-late March.
Google has a cap on the number of e-mail addresses that can be invited
to a
mailing list, and an even tighter cap on the number of e-mail addresses
that can be directly added. For this reason, we?re going to ask you to
sign
*yourself* up for the new group, when we move. After a brief interval,
we?ll begin inviting all of the e-mail addresses that don?t yet appear
on
the new mailing list. There are currently 1532 members on the users
list,
though, so this is going to take a while.
One potential hiccup: there is an existing Users google group, and
we?re
hoping to re-purpose this as the main group rather than as an archive.
This
list has a google setting?"list is an archive?, if I recall
correctly?that
is now deprecated. It seems possible that making changes to the way
this
list is configured could have unexpected consequences, and makes it
impossible to test various transition scenarios.
The local mailman archive of the existing list will continue to exist,
though new messages will not be added to it. The remote archives at
gmane
and mail-archive and marc should be able to handle the transition, and
hopefully will not drop too many messages during the transition.
Let us know how this sounds to you!
John Clements
[*] We?re still waiting to hear from gmane and marc.info about archive
updates; mail-archive has successfully made the jump already.

____________________
http://lists.racket-lang.org/users

[John Clements]

Post by Paul Ojanen
Thank you for the notice and warning regarding the move to Google Groups.
Will a Google group work well for people with just an email address and
not Google accounts nor gmail accounts? Or those unwilling to use them?

Heavens, yes. If a google address were required, we would definitely not
make this change.

Ironically, I'm personally looking forward to the change so that I can
*stop* using my google address to post to this list.

[Hendrik Boom]

Post by John Clements

Post by Paul Ojanen
Thank you for the notice and warning regarding the move to Google Groups.
Will a Google group work well for people with just an email address and
not Google accounts nor gmail accounts? Or those unwilling to use them?

Heavens, yes. If a google address were required, we would definitely not
make this change.
Ironically, I'm personally looking forward to the change so that I can
*stop* using my google address to post to this list.

Please make sure that gmane service stays, and that email is *not*
sent in html format.

I've found the google groups web page to be almost useless for reading
archived discussions. Maybe it has something to do with the amount of
framing and the loss of actual information space on a small screen.

reading email works. But then I get to choose my email reader, and I
don't get to choose the layout of the google groups HTML pages.

gmane is a lot better when read through a competent usenet reader.
But, then, I get to choose the newsreader, too.

But neither email nor usenet is well-indexed, except for web archives.
Which usually have their own imposed visual structure.

Ideally the indexes should get you to the actual content, with a
minimum of framing. Or rather, with the display mechanism and
framing chosen by the user.

-- hendrik
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[John Clements]

Post by Hendrik Boom
Please make sure that gmane service stays, and that email is *not*
sent in html format.

Based on our experience with racket-dev, I'm confident that the e-mails are
not HTML-ized.

Regarding our mirrors, it looks for the moment as though "mail-archive.com"
is the most responsive; they've already picked up the new racket-dev, and I
need to ping gmane and marc.info again. We are working to make sure that
archives are preserved.